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taken by the apex of light

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gone for days but not your brain

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and did you see what everyone else did

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it's been reported in the way the dust

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on a shelf is

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and it's not the last time

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someone thinks they're gonna die they

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like a cold heart test where you live

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didn't mean to scare you

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no blood but the bones are for you

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they were abducted like a cold i

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just

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but the relived are for you

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they were

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and it's folklore that gave it appeal

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took your ego when the cuts were real

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stays with you every single day

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like intended it's a memory that stayed

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anticipating

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every single day

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they were abducted

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they were abducted and it's the folklore

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that gave it appeal

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it's a cure eagle in the country

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stays with you every single day

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like intended it's a memory let's stay

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they were

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i didn't mean

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you were

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they didn't

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i'm just here for an answer

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believe me

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the right one

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is extra to find

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that behaves like i wanted to

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even enough room

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and i'm deathly afraid

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deadlier

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room

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what's up everybody yes i love that part

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that is my good friend

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um who played a trumpet for a lot

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of my songs and he's a good person good

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man

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and i should probably start getting with

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a little bit play some songs

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hello sir how are you uh mike's running

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person

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they are demented a little bit at this

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point

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because i'm not actively arguing with

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anybody

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the butt hurt folks with thumbs down

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make me chuckle

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only i would focus on this word and keep

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talking but

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it reminds me of something i thought was

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hilarious that george knapp said before

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and i thought that was awesome what's up

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jeff how you doing buddy

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um you guys

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until uh mike gets here if i put up the

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old

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skype phone um well i don't put it up

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but would you guys call in

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because nobody did last time and

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like i don't i wouldn't admit

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that i cried but i did cry a little bit

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but it was probably it's probably just

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allergies

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yeah uh i didn't yes i did

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i totally put it up there or maybe

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i posted a comment and then

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forgot to take it down maybe that

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so that no one saw the number that could

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uh but anywho it's up now so it's just

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dust until then

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if you rather um

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ask a question in the chat that's fine

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too

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um haven't got to jonathan reed's got

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i will get there for sure

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there's something india

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tonight no what do you guys think of all

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what do you guys think of all the like

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to be honest i haven't got into it at

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all so i'm not really sure

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or is it something you rather not even

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there's no pressure to answer now or

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later

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but you must answer it's childish

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i'm with you i mean we're all

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it's cutting off the top of my head yeah

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people are getting into that stuff but i

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don't dig it

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um but i don't really even know what the

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reasons are either because i haven't

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gone that far

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so um i'm pretty sure it has something

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to do with people talking about

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lou being uh uh

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psyop thing or whatever but no one's

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gonna figure that out right now anyways

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know what i mean do you know

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man you guys are so afraid uh just talk

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to me on the phone aren't you

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you know my theory is that you're all

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russian

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you'd be busted

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what's up roger

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well how about we do

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oh all right we got a call hallelujah

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witness citizen this is sean how can i

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help you our ovens are closed for the

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no pizza sauce pizza

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pizza subs sure yeah

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do you deliver to moscow i could

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i knew it busted you're rushing

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it's me rusty pack hey what's up mother

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so what's on your mind i was wondering

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if you think

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that lou is a psyop disinformant

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specialist uh

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no i don't think so

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um i mean but there's

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there's no way to really you know to

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really know you would have to get

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whatever paperwork that is that

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exists does or does not but um

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i wouldn't think so i talked to the guy

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looked at him asked him questions

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um and he seems pretty honest and

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to me uh especially with all the optics

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of the ig

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investigation and all that so um

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that if i had to choose a side it would

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be that one

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yeah do you think that tom delong was

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misinformation as you know means to just

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put crazy things out there

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yeah i don't know that's

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it's as possible as it is not

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if that makes sense just because there's

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only so much we can

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we can tell he has said some pretty out

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there stuff including roswell was a

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nazi project um

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is it you know but maybe you could also

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look at it this way if he was telling

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the truth

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and it was that wild who would believe

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him you know

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well exactly right but and you know what

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emails that got exposed through the

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wikileaks probably

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lent credibility that he wasn't meant to

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it was pretty clear that they were

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working on something

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actively so whether other people knew

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about it or not

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it looks like it was happening now if

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you go back to the steve bassett episode

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i had he said that the whole plan was

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based on hillary clinton winning and

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when she didn't win

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uh that changed things significantly so

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i don't know it seems like there's a lot

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of details behind the scenes too

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that we may not see or be aware of

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unfortunately yeah well you know i

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i don't know if you've gotten to this

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part of ross kohlherd's book yet

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but i think he's sort of on the steve

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bassett

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page on that and i mean i think it's

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general consensus that she was intended

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to be sort of a disclosure president

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and we've even toned along with part of

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plan based on the involvement of podesta

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and um yeah i know it's interesting to

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think about

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yeah it it is it's it's like

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you kind of gotta size it up quick and

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if you have enough information to make a

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decision you're comfortable with

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cool um but if you don't don't commit

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either side or the other that's what i

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do um

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and just keep observing you know

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so do you think you'll have steven greer

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uh i doubt it i'd have them on the show

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but i wouldn't even begin to know

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um you know i'd have honest discussion

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with him for sure

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so but i appreciate you calling in

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you know you sound like a lot of the

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other chatters to that call

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we're all rushing oh okay gotcha

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all right i just didn't want you to cry

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oh thank you well scott says it's good

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to cry so

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all right thanks for calling in i'm

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gonna gonna go drink some vodka now

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okay sounds good moscow mules all right

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take care

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all right that was a good call i

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appreciate you calling in that was

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awesome

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and with out

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i think our special guest has arrived

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we have to wait for something first i

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think

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hello

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all right that was fun huh

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[Laughter]

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um all right without any further ado we

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have

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punk rock and ufos the sir himself mike

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demonte how you doing

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hi how's it going good how are you today

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good busy yeah busy cool well you just

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published a pretty cool

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article um on meditation

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which everybody if you guys are watching

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you should definitely read it

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he cites um sean cahill in it who

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i personally look up to so what inspired

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you to write it

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so also someone else is quoted in it um

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who you may know

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uh it's you yes yes me too your audience

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would appreciate that

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um so just remember i mean the last time

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i was on i got it's been what months ago

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i think i was one of your first guests

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uh yes um and you know a lot of things

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we were talking about kind of the stuff

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i covered in my

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book you know stranger than fiction

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right now something consciousness and

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some of the other stuff that was once

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considered kind of woo

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you know isn't really considerable

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anymore um so that's true

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i wrote it's really really came about

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when i started i started transition from

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doing the website too i'm having the

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website associated with my books

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um i wanted to kind of differentiate my

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because there's only you know there's so

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many ufo blogs and websites that kind of

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just

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you know do the same thing or um

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really just aggregate other content so i

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really wanted to do something original

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and initially i did do some like

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featurey posts like what do people in

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the ufo community do for like day jobs

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and like stuff like that before i wanted

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to do like

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you know interview people like kevin day

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and john cahill and you know kind of do

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more like you know

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news stories so i'm kind of going back

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to what i started in terms of doing more

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enterprising featurey stuff and for

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multiple reasons

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um the website is kind of changing a

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little bit um one

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i'm really kind of getting burned out

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with uh ufos which is kind of weird

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because it's such a

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great time this and partly i hear you

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yeah yeah um especially because it's

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like

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i mean you see how twitter is sometimes

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and like it's just crazy

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um totally yeah so like i wrote a story

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a couple of months maybe a month or two

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ago i

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can't remember what exactly was and i

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personally thought hey this is like a

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big story

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and it just kind of fell on deaf ears

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and i did a follow-up story

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i really follow-up but i did a story a

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couple weeks ago talking about how

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really the only story people care about

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nowadays are

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the military if it's not a military

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video

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story no one cares yeah um so i was kind

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of frustrated with that with this

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yeah that's unfortunate yeah it's

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because it's like there's so many

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like other good stories and sightings

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and just stuff associated with it

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um yeah the story i wrote um that i

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thought it was going to be a big deal

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um it wasn't but i mean it's whatever um

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i interviewed someone who

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was a former communications official for

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the government

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who was able to you know during the

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renaissance incident

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came across some really interesting

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revelations that no one really heard of

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since now

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the fact that somebody left with one of

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the crafts

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and i thought that was kind of a very

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fascinating story but it kind of fell on

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deaf ears

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so i was like okay whatever yeah i just

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had the access

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that you know that george knapp does to

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get the you know

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and the new york times and jeremy corbin

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to get these videos so

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i'm just gonna kind of i'm just gonna

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kind of you know kind of go back to

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doing more featurey stuff and then

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eventually you know

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when heart more hard news comes across

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i'll do it

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um but another reason too is i'm sort of

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shifting a little bit

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um the other site i was writing for um

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for those who don't know i previously

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before

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doing punk rock and ufos i worked for

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the eastern chronicle for about seven

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years

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on the copy desk on their website and

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also as a writer for them too

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and when i left full time i did a media

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blog for the music and shows and that

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recently got canceled so

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i'm going to actually start doing some

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more featurey and music and

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media coverage on punk rock and ufos too

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so it really is now

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pop culture and paranormal sorry long

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story short that was a really

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wounded answer to kind of lead into the

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meditation story

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oh yeah because i know when we talked

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you know we talked about that as well

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and

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stuff that you do really to kind of like

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help say

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stay sane you know i mean just to kind

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of and for me personally i mean it helps

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me with my anxiety and

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everything and i just remember you know

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early on when i interviewed sean cahill

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years ago um he mentioned he's a

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meditation facilitator and

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i've actually seen some of his videos i

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believe i sent it to you as well like

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the first time

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we talked and i thought he would be a

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great person to interview as well since

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he's somebody who

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you know is a is a name in the ufo world

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for obviously being one of the key

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witnesses to the nimitz and also his

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he's so well well spoken on all these

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all these topics whether it's ufos or

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um you know that attention so it was

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really kind of a health based story

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and it so happened to include you know

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some people who were involved who were

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involved in the ufo community so yeah

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um i really kind of wanted to cover that

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as well just to show people hey look

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um this is this is a health-based story

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but there is a slight tie into ufos

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without going deeper because

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we can go a lot deeper than that yeah

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when i referenced the damian eccles book

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but

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yeah we could go way deeper it's it's

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yeah you can go as far

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as you want to take it really um

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[Music]

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it's meditation for me can

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kind of be done with different mediums

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too like

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writing songs and stuff and performing

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them

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um is a lot of meditation

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and therapy more so um

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and it gets because the point is it gets

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my mind off of everything else i'm not

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even thinking about what i'm singing or

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what i'm playing

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i'm just you know emitting this energy

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and it feels great um but in the other

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ways i do it yeah

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like i'll try c5 or

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just meditate and try to get to a

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peaceful place and

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you know that's it um and it's

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easier sometimes than others that's

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that's for sure

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actually it's never easy but

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it seems like especially with the world

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how chaotic it is

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do you often meditate or i try to do it

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once a day

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um yeah i started i think if we talk

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about this last time i started last

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summer

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um basically trying to incorporate it

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into my daily routine just because it

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was

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just really stressful and yeah um now i

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try to do it

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every day um because things are so

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stressful in the world you know and uh

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it's just a little harder now because i

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have a newborn so sometimes i don't have

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the time

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like my schedule routine has changed so

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when i'm i'm used to doing it

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at certain times now i just do whenever

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i can fit the time in

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right but with you know with work

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starting back up against him i have to

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incorporate it probably again you know

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in my daily routine in the mornings

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um i did during the year too last year i

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would do it

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and then when i didn't have time in the

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morning i would do it at work when i had

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a break

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i would yeah yeah and i noticed for me

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personally i think it's so much better

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doing it outside

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yeah it is isn't it you just feel more

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you feel more connected you feel more at

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peace or just i don't know something

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about

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meditating outside yeah i mean i live in

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texas where it's hot

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it's super hot here but i live in

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somewhere really nice like you know

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california

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or somewhere in the pacific northwest

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beautiful

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yeah well if you get up in the morning

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you can do it right

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um it's pretty hot here right now not

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texas hot but hot

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um and yeah i would just go

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to in the mornings i'm just i'm up at

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like 3 34 and i just go to the lakefront

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yeah and i'll just chill there and it's

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quiet and peaceful nobody's there really

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and you know when you close your eyes

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and you start doing those deep breaths

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and you just start feeling relaxed i

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just let the

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sounds of the birds and the wind and the

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in the water

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kind of do its thing you know yeah and

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go from there

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and it helps and i i got to say that

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when we did have our interview

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that did kind of push me a little more

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into that aspect

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and because there's a little validation

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there with you and i appreciated that

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let's if you had to guess

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the percentage of

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um let's say psychic versus

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nuts and bolts of the phenomenon if

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you're okay talking about it

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yeah uh what would you guess

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i don't know i think now the

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to some degree that the nuts and bolts

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stuff regarding ufos or

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since as ufos become more mainstream you

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know that's what the mainstream media is

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going to focus on kind of nuts and bolts

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but

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i think in terms of the ufo community i

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think they're they're slowly shying away

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from

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not just the nuts and bolts because you

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know i mean

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for years the stuff's been reported on

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and written about um

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but now i think it's more widely

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acceptable to look at

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you know we want more you know there's

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more than just you know photographic

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evidence or there's more than just a

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video

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right um to it and you're hearing this

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from

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you know very important people you know

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in the field too

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um that's not just nuts and bolts and uh

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people

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way longer than we have as well so it's

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it's pretty cool that you know a

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leslie kane and you know um her

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specifically you know someone who

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and and i do i do mention her i

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interview her my last book stranger than

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fiction too because i think she's a

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great example

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of someone who started with ufos and

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really transition

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to kind of the afterlife and this is a

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mainstream journalist who has a work

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published in new york times boston globe

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you know you know use publications that

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you know is

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willing to kind of do investigative

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journalism

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on topic that don't necessarily lend um

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the the full results that usually an

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investigative journalist would

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stories that they would chase if that

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makes sense yeah because it's so

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unknown yeah you know she uh and

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she got a netflix documentary spin off i

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mean right that says something too

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00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,799
you know that uh all these you know

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these streaming services and

570
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:03,120
all these you know uh all these tv

571
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,320
networks i mean they're constantly

572
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:06,320
looking for content uh

573
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,679
myself i probably i mean a lot of people

574
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:11,200
who've written books or who've done like

575
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:12,799
you know the ufos the past few years i

576
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,200
mean

577
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,279
you could ask them as well that they've

578
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,880
gotten so many opportunities

579
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,880
um you know just from interviewing

580
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,559
people i read in my book

581
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,640
uh on the on the hollywood side of it

582
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,640
and on the production side and for me

583
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,480
interviewing for these like tv shows and

584
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,760
stuff you know

585
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,679
they're just so thirsty for content all

586
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,880
of them

587
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,159
all the streaming networks that doesn't

588
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:33,760
mean that they always come to fruition i

589
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,000
feel

590
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,000
like for every ufo documentary

591
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,840
paranormal documentary you see and for

592
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,120
every person you see on there

593
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,919
there's probably about 10 shows that

594
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,919
didn't happen and 10 people who

595
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,000
weren't used if that makes sense right

596
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,000
so yeah so that you know it's

597
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,480
not just you know ghosts and ancient

598
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,799
aliens anymore it's really expanded

599
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:55,279
yeah and i think well you know if

600
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,480
people's

601
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:59,279
interactions or whatever are similar to

602
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,000
mine at all

603
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:02,799
i you know it kind of makes your mind up

604
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,360
for you

605
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:05,360
to a certain extent like well this just

606
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,559
isn't nuts

607
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,120
you know i don't know any screws that do

608
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,799
that but

609
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:13,279
because it's pretty um it's pretty

610
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,080
intense but

611
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,440
you think ufos could be almost like a

612
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,440
gateway drug for the right person like

613
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,120
keanu just keeps

614
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,240
almost going farther towards almost

615
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:27,120
the epitome of it all right yeah i think

616
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,600
that's

617
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,279
calling it a gateway drug is a really

618
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,360
good way to describe how a lot of people

619
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,720
get into like paranormal you know i

620
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,960
think ufos is a real easy

621
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,480
yeah in for people especially now

622
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,080
because it's so mainstream but

623
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,080
you know talking about it in popular

624
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,919
culture and that's something i kind of

625
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,600
bring up in my books too especially in

626
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,039
changing the fiction that

627
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,799
ufos and aliens are everywhere in our

628
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,320
pop culture you know kids have them on

629
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,559
their on their backpacks and

630
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:52,080
um you know they're they're on band

631
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,440
t-shirts there's a poster right behind

632
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,840
me like an alien on it you know from

633
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,919
concert so i mean it's just you know

634
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,679
it's really embedded into a pop culture

635
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,279
so i think it's easy

636
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,640
for especially young people to see like

637
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:04,240
so many if you talk to like teenagers

638
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,640
and like

639
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,799
young kids so many of them believe or

640
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,559
interested in it anyway so i think

641
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,200
that's easier for people to say oh well

642
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,799
there could be ufos well then there

643
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:13,440
could be

644
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,159
all these other things so yeah for sure

645
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,320
i think i think you calling it a gateway

646
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:21,760
drug is really uh

647
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:24,960
a good good description thanks i've just

648
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,190
but um yeah well that's just what it

649
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,720
seems like because

650
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,640
it it tickles your brain with something

651
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:36,720
more it it kind of uh

652
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,080
exercises your imagination a bit uh

653
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,960
it makes you at least consider for even

654
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:44,480
if it's a half a second

655
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,320
something that's uh you know beyond this

656
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,080
um and the more times that happens

657
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:51,760
obviously the more you think about it

658
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,000
then you begin to act on it a bit um

659
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,159
yeah but yeah that's interesting because

660
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,039
there's so many ways to go

661
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,440
and you can even get so far to where

662
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:05,200
some of these are relatable to

663
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:09,200
spirits and death people passing on

664
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,600
um so yeah and then all the uh psychic

665
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:15,679
aspects of this thing

666
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:19,120
it's it's intense and the more you look

667
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,159
at it like the

668
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,039
slide nine and stuff 8-tip slide 9 if

669
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,480
you're familiar with that at all

670
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,720
it's like at some point can you even

671
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:28,640
trust yourself anymore

672
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:31,440
you know like what what's messing with

673
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:32,559
me and what isn't

674
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,080
you know um but yeah i think that's

675
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,679
bringing it back i guess that's why i do

676
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:40,240
meditation but

677
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,600
what do you think this community

678
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,000
because i picture you as a very calm

679
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:47,840
level-headed

680
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:51,360
straightforward person but also open

681
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:54,720
and dives into

682
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:58,240
um i don't know the strange

683
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,399
part of this and to me that's kind of

684
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:03,679
like a perfect match

685
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,039
so so if you what do you think this

686
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:09,519
community needs what's the right way to

687
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,559
shift gears i almost think like people

688
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,640
waiting on videos

689
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,960
and stuff is just not healthy i think

690
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,080
there's ways to

691
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:21,360
exercise um what you can do

692
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,399
uh through yourself you know yeah i

693
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,440
think that's a great

694
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,799
uh great point you may have people you

695
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:28,320
can't just sit and wait for the next

696
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,200
video to drop

697
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,919
or yeah you know or the next big story

698
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,640
to break because

699
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,919
you know we i think we got really

700
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,519
spoiled for a while you know this is

701
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,880
kind of the golden age to the end of the

702
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,159
stuff in terms of

703
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,679
you know you know media coverage and

704
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,919
stuff but it's you know we do often get

705
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,840
spoiled and i think a lot of people

706
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,480
you know when uh when the uap task force

707
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,240
report dropped for maybe expecting more

708
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,760
some are expecting less but

709
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,760
i mean it is you know this is what it is

710
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,039
we got something you know

711
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,880
to go from there but ultimately like i

712
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,840
said you know i think the community

713
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,880
needs is just oh

714
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,919
it's really hard to describe because

715
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,600
there's just so much infighting and

716
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,120
negativity and it's like

717
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,279
this is why progress doesn't get made

718
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,559
just today

719
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,640
i was looking on the uh i posted my post

720
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,640
my story links you know everywhere and

721
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,320
i was looking on the summer in the sky's

722
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:12,240
uh facebook page where i posted

723
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:21,190
somebody commented on it saying calling

724
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:22,080
louis alzando

725
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,519
a janitor uh a pentagon janitor so just

726
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,039
like you kind of like

727
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,159
god you know it's just kind of like what

728
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,840
hope do we even have if

729
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,559
yeah because unfortunately those voices

730
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,399
tend to try and be the loudest

731
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,880
you know exactly and it's like i feel

732
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:40,960
like you've come so far but there's just

733
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:41,519
so much

734
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,480
you know there's a lot of people i

735
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:44,399
really respect too that i i disagree

736
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,720
with

737
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,960
on some things um it's like some of

738
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,080
those people

739
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:51,360
like will never change their minds and

740
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,720
they're really smart and they have a lot

741
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:54,559
to offer but it's like at some point

742
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,120
it's like

743
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:57,360
give it a rest like yeah you know

744
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:58,480
there's other people like i'm not trying

745
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,720
to

746
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,240
call out people name names but there's

747
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,399
other people who are just like

748
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,080
like they're hanging on to kind of like

749
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,760
this

750
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,320
era of no progress right because they're

751
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,000
jealous for some for some reason that

752
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,919
someone else beat them to the punch or

753
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,840
they're not being used on this tv show

754
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,080
or that to the stars actually

755
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,159
accomplished a lot more than they this

756
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,600
person thought or you know these people

757
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,279
thought they were going to accomplish

758
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,960
it just really just kind of blows my

759
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,799
mind how

760
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,039
yeah how just you know spoiled and

761
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,559
negative i think a lot of people are so

762
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,320
i think they really just need to

763
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,840
just kind of relax and let things kind

764
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,519
of play out um

765
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,960
as they are and like i said for me like

766
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,720
personally you know

767
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,880
i think i looked at it as you know

768
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,240
everyone contributes what they they

769
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,760
can't contribute

770
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,480
um and i looked at it as where you know

771
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,240
i'm kind of getting a little burned out

772
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,880
i have less time so i'm just gonna shift

773
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,679
the

774
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,440
focus on my website a little bit just to

775
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,880
kind of you know

776
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,679
not you know write whenever i can stuff

777
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:57,200
related to and not related to the

778
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:58,159
subject just for

779
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,200
because i would like to do whatever you

780
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,159
want dude it's your website yeah exactly

781
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,000
the longest time i tried to kind of make

782
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:06,640
it i really try to keep it

783
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,839
you know under that umbrella um but yeah

784
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,839
yeah just do whatever you want yes yeah

785
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,760
make it your your baby you know

786
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,839
that's that's the cool part of it is you

787
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,280
don't have a boss

788
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,159
and whatever vision you have you can go

789
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:22,399
out there and try to accomplish it

790
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,079
um and you're gonna find people who

791
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:28,639
really value you for that originality

792
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,119
you know

793
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:31,760
made a good point when you're writing

794
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,399
for different

795
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,240
websites you know different different

796
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,599
audiences so

797
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:37,119
i do a story for the brief it's a

798
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:38,399
different audience it's a different

799
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,200
style

800
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,879
right and i have editors to kind of

801
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:42,399
pitch to you and write to as opposed to

802
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:43,040
when

803
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,159
it's my website i can write about

804
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,679
whatever i want and i have to you know

805
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,520
pitch anything and

806
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,440
you can do it your way um but yeah i

807
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:51,119
think there's like i said you know

808
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,320
there's a lot of content right now

809
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:53,599
that's out there

810
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,720
um oh thank you scott um

811
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,079
there's a lot of content that's out

812
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,640
there right now you know whether it's

813
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,920
you know in the meantime while we're

814
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,280
waiting for bigger news to drop there's

815
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:05,200
a lot of good stuff that's out there

816
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,240
yeah i mean there's a lot of good

817
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:07,839
podcasts a lot of programs programs like

818
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,560
yours

819
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,160
the fact that i think you that the fact

820
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,520
that you go live i think is really cool

821
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:13,040
i think um

822
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,680
i think more programs should do that uh

823
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,720
yeah um yeah

824
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,599
like that's some people get to get stuck

825
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,119
in the

826
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:28,000
doldrums of this is just gonna be a

827
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:29,200
repeating cycle

828
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,800
it's no different we're not kidding

829
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:32,800
anything and all that and

830
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,079
i would have to say

831
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,920
um i think that everything's still

832
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:39,599
playing out too isn't it

833
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,440
it's pretty clear um but also

834
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,200
you're right it seems like when there's

835
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,359
a lull or people are

836
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,680
um not getting what they want and the

837
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:51,920
click baits run out

838
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,839
they kind of find anything they can

839
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,440
that's wrong

840
00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:00,000
so they have an outlet for complaints

841
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:01,200
you know

842
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,720
it's it's a good

843
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,119
describe it really is especially you

844
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,670
with all these stories nowadays you know

845
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,440
someone will find something wrong with

846
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,760
whatever whether it's it's the messenger

847
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,800
right who who

848
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,920
who deliver the message or you know

849
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,119
yeah they'll find a problem with it

850
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,440
somehow so you know even even the the

851
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:24,480
largest stories and

852
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,079
the largest um you know the biggest

853
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:30,000
videos that you can't please everyone

854
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,000
yeah and you know it's unfortunate too

855
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,520
you know there's a good side and a bad

856
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,000
side of more people being attracted to

857
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,160
the topic i would say uh

858
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,000
one of the good sides is a lot more

859
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,000
people a lot more eyes

860
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,240
different points of view you know

861
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,240
generations whatever

862
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,280
the downside is saturation

863
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:54,160
so things start to become saturated in

864
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,720
the

865
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:57,760
news and what's not

866
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:00,800
news and what's pretended to be news

867
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,760
that all is really difficult to sift

868
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:06,079
through especially in this topic

869
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,640
um so that i think

870
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,800
is kind of an issue because there's

871
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,400
almost like the ones who

872
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,560
claim to know it all and then the ones

873
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,079
who say i don't know anything

874
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,240
to me those are should be the two

875
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,560
different brackets here

876
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,880
you can really appoint with saturation

877
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:26,240
right um

878
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,520
there's so much content out there that's

879
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,680
not a bad thing but it comes to the

880
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:31,040
point like about saying earlier where

881
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,440
you know

882
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,640
for me when i was getting a little

883
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:34,720
burned out and everyone i've spoken to

884
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,599
you know people have been doing this

885
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,000
stuff for

886
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,800
years it happens that you know all these

887
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:40,000
everyone who's involved it's you know

888
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:41,119
people go through the little burnout

889
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:42,240
phases but

890
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,000
for me you know life when like real life

891
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,680
takes over and like things get busy you

892
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:49,280
don't have time for ufos or stuff as

893
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,760
much

894
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,680
so it becomes less of a priority i felt

895
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,359
myself falling behind

896
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,359
as you know more websites are popping up

897
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,800
more stories are coming

898
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,240
and when i would drop a story then it

899
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:59,599
would feel like it was like crickets

900
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:00,560
even though i thought it should have

901
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,760
been like a bigger deal

902
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,599
and part of that's you know like an ego

903
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:05,520
thing too and it's nothing like against

904
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,480
anyone else

905
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:08,000
you know sometimes you feel like oh man

906
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:09,359
i do a good story i wish more people

907
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,079
cared

908
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,920
so it is you know kind of an ego thing

909
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,520
then you look at it i looked at it

910
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:14,960
realistically saying

911
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:18,400
am i gonna have the access that um

912
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:22,000
a george knapp would have or a new york

913
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,599
post would have

914
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:26,079
uh with the title punk rock and ufos

915
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,800
behind me

916
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,960
no now if i was an employee still uh for

917
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,480
hearst media chronicle

918
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,040
we're talking a different story yeah but

919
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,119
i understand that there you know this is

920
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,920
this information is being privy to very

921
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:38,880
few individuals

922
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,839
in very few hours right now so i had a

923
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,280
small

924
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,200
hope i was going to be able to interview

925
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,839
someone um on the uap task force

926
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,880
from a mutual friend yeah and it wasn't

927
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,880
a thing where it was like

928
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,320
they don't want to do it because they're

929
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,920
not allowed to well

930
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:58,079
because of the the outlet because they

931
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,960
weren't allowed to

932
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,200
and it was it was funny how that happens

933
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,040
and i was talking to someone about this

934
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,440
i think i was i think it was uh ryan

935
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,640
when i was up somewhere in the skies

936
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,480
that it really is six degrees of kevin

937
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,640
bacon with a lot of this stuff

938
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:13,040
um because this is months ago and a

939
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,160
friend of mine reached out to me on

940
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,520
facebook it was like hey i know you're

941
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,520
into ufos well guess what

942
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,359
and this person revealed that a relative

943
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,800
of theirs yeah

944
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:23,280
a relative of theirs is part of the uap

945
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,400
task force and i was like

946
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,920
are you messing with me he's like no i'm

947
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,560
serious so i actually did some digging

948
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,240
and i found out who the person was and i

949
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:32,720
was like oh wow that's what it's real

950
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:36,079
and i asked again i was like hey can i

951
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,520
you know since the report's out can i

952
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,440
interview him and then he was like

953
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,240
no this person was reassigned uh maybe

954
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,599
somebody they'll talk about it but i was

955
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,280
like man like you know you're always

956
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,040
two people away from someone on the uap

957
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,280
test so it's like it's crazy because

958
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:51,440
i think that speaks to the fact that so

959
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,320
many people

960
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,040
are into this stuff right so if you know

961
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,119
someone who knows you're into this stuff

962
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,560
and they may know someone who's had a

963
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,280
sighting right or can put you in contact

964
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,839
with someone who took a photo or a video

965
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,359
or an experience that you come on the

966
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:06,960
show you know i mean it really is

967
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,240
six degrees to a lot of this stuff

968
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,800
it's yeah i mean sometimes i think like

969
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:14,240
especially on twitter and everything

970
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,280
where

971
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:17,200
people are just pictures and names and

972
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,480
you have no idea

973
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,359
if they're that person or maybe the uap

974
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,680
task force

975
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,280
they just gave you a thumbs up you'd

976
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:27,119
have no idea but yeah

977
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,319
that's another thing too you know you

978
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,160
bring up that you know

979
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,680
some of us have been warned that some of

980
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:33,599
the people on twitter may not be who

981
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,880
they say they are and

982
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,240
you know there may actually be some

983
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,160
legit disinformation

984
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,480
agents kind of sneaking their way in

985
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,680
there which is really interesting to

986
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,280
think that there's some guy

987
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,119
or woman you know sitting in their

988
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:47,520
office right and the job is on twitter

989
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:50,800
to mess with ufo twitter yeah that would

990
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,359
be

991
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,640
a great job but imagine getting paid

992
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,400
probably in a movie

993
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,200
mess around on twitter oh i totally saw

994
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:01,920
a big great alien at domino's down the

995
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,480
street

996
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,000
yeah yeah i don't know that's true

997
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,079
you know some people i mean for sh you

998
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:09,599
know a couple people i've met

999
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,720
made me kind of yeah

1000
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:15,040
you know just kind of wonder about that

1001
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:15,839
stuff but

1002
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:20,319
it that's also there's a point there

1003
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:24,640
and it's like why you shouldn't commit

1004
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,520
you know to things and because if you

1005
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:29,280
don't you won't get taken away with that

1006
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:29,839
stuff

1007
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,280
you know um and also

1008
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,359
allow yourself to be wrong and allow

1009
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,440
other people to be wrong

1010
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,280
and change their mind i feel like a lot

1011
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,560
of the times

1012
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,800
we call back on people for things they

1013
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,800
said or something

1014
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,119
like changing your mind or opinion or

1015
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,960
growing

1016
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,440
or even regressing isn't possible you

1017
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:52,720
know

1018
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,400
um we would want that for ourselves

1019
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,920
you know i know i've changed my mind

1020
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,680
about things in this field

1021
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,000
i thought lou is disinfo all the way

1022
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,880
when i first started doing this

1023
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,560
that was like the first thing i thought

1024
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:08,079
of but then i was like

1025
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,359
but he tells everyone he's in

1026
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,280
counter-intelligence like how stupid

1027
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:12,640
would that be

1028
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,000
you know there's no way but as time

1029
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,760
progresses and you learn and you talk to

1030
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,200
the guy and all that like

1031
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,240
you know reality hits you yeah

1032
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,240
i think everyone at first was you're

1033
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,760
supposed to be skeptical right you're

1034
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,480
supposed to

1035
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,160
hear these you know these claims that

1036
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,480
sound you know

1037
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:32,079
i hate to use a pun you know stranger

1038
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,950
he's got a great book we're supposed to

1039
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,760
be skeptical

1040
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,960
of these people who have these high

1041
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:42,160
positions in the government who are

1042
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,200
counterintelligence

1043
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,680
absolutely but one of the things you

1044
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,040
know that the first

1045
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,880
you know the first quotes the first

1046
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,200
words out of ralph blumenthal's mouth

1047
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,720
from the new york times when i read them

1048
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,440
was

1049
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,520
you know we vetted our sources you know

1050
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,800
yeah um

1051
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,240
the new york times wouldn't interview

1052
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,000
eliza wrote the story if they

1053
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,400
if they thought he was credible and a

1054
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:03,760
lot of people don't understand that it's

1055
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,560
not just them

1056
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,920
it's not just reporters saying okay we

1057
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,760
better resources he's credible no

1058
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,400
they have to go to their editors right

1059
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,040
and their editors have to say okay

1060
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,760
let's let's let's go with it so it's

1061
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,720
it's not just that you know the

1062
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:18,079
reporters it has to go through editors

1063
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,880
especially too

1064
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,640
a lot of people are always weary of

1065
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,480
anonymous sources well those anonymous

1066
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,560
sources are revealed to the editors and

1067
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,400
the editors then said

1068
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,560
okay this works or you know what it

1069
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,880
doesn't and especially

1070
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:33,280
you know with with such sensitive

1071
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,480
material

1072
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,880
um with this topic well some of these

1073
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,880
anonymous sources are doing it because

1074
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:40,079
they want to be honest because it

1075
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:41,359
protects them and their family and their

1076
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,240
jobs

1077
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,000
you know in a great example it could be

1078
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,160
like let's say something a reporter

1079
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,160
interviews a janitor at a school

1080
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,800
right and let's say this janitor saw a

1081
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,800
teacher doing something inappropriate

1082
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,560
well that janitor may not want their

1083
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,160
name out there because the repercussions

1084
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,680
that could happen from that

1085
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,400
right so and that's a lot of people

1086
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,839
don't understand

1087
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,230
it's like um you know

1088
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,800
and you know i've been guilty of this

1089
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,680
too but

1090
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,680
it's like they treat things like there's

1091
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:14,960
no

1092
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:18,560
thing that you're watching in front of

1093
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,200
your face

1094
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:22,000
and that's what you should react on i

1095
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,720
saw something

1096
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,640
in the chat i was going to respond to

1097
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:25,920
they're talking about travis wallin

1098
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,400
right

1099
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,440
oh yeah and i just watched

1100
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,119
again for the first two things about

1101
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,720
that a couple weeks ago for the first

1102
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,160
time since i was a kid

1103
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,200
fire in the sky oh

1104
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,760
yeah that's the first thing i saw you

1105
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:40,960
can't ruin it

1106
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,240
um and it doesn't hold up

1107
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:46,480
the same thing yeah the first time you

1108
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,359
see it's amazing

1109
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,280
when you watch it 20 years later you're

1110
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,640
like man this movie is like

1111
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:53,040
yes like i remember being so much more

1112
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,400
and then another interesting thing a

1113
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:55,680
friend of mine

1114
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,400
um years ago tried to interview travis

1115
00:45:01,510 --> 00:45:00,800
walton for a self-funded documentary she

1116
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,520
was doing

1117
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,640
oh and she's a pretty big name like not

1118
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,240
in the ufo field but

1119
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,160
uh just kind of like i don't know she's

1120
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,599
she's a big name

1121
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,400
uh hall of fame wrestler and travis

1122
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,839
walton wanted to charge five hundred

1123
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,880
dollars

1124
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,960
okay to be on the bench and they're like

1125
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:18,240
yeah no

1126
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:19,359
and even though i think they could

1127
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,400
afford it it was probably like a

1128
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,920
non-principal thing like

1129
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:24,000
yeah you know you know like edit you

1130
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:25,280
know he's probably been around forever

1131
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,920
and has probably

1132
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,920
done a ton of these things but i wonder

1133
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:29,920
if that netflix show paid him 500

1134
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:33,119
i don't know right uh you're talking

1135
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:34,160
about walton

1136
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,520
yeah oh yeah i there's

1137
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:40,079
just there's there's a couple of topics

1138
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:40,640
to me

1139
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:43,839
that it it almost is a mute point to

1140
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,319
even

1141
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,640
go too far and discussing right because

1142
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:48,160
it's just going to hold you back from

1143
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:49,440
moving forward

1144
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:52,640
hanging on to these old stories

1145
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,560
but if he wants to get you know into the

1146
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,240
picture in the conversation i guess

1147
00:46:01,030 --> 00:46:00,560
that's a different story then you gotta

1148
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,040
you know

1149
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:03,040
vet the dude and make sure it's accurate

1150
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,400
but um

1151
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,599
it's one of those things where if he's

1152
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:07,200
telling the truth he feels so bad for

1153
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:08,160
him

1154
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:12,480
and if he's not like it's never enough

1155
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,839
that's an interesting thing about you

1156
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,839
just mentioned about older stories right

1157
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,599
yeah for the longest time that all this

1158
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,520
field had was older stories

1159
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:21,200
right sure well recently now there's

1160
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,720
newer stories up here

1161
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,680
that's all i'm researching um you know i

1162
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,720
mean so it's it's

1163
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,960
really a good position and yeah who else

1164
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,240
was talking about this and they're like

1165
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,480
yeah we were tired of podcasting and

1166
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,000
you know recording about this you know

1167
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,760
about roswell you know

1168
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,599
in roswell stores and now you know it's

1169
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,520
good that there's so much new

1170
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,319
uh that content there's so much more

1171
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:44,079
cases and stories to kind of talk about

1172
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:44,560
and

1173
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,880
every once in a while new things pop up

1174
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:50,640
new evidence pops up

1175
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:53,839
yeah that's true it does

1176
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:56,880
um but yeah it's like because you want

1177
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,200
to

1178
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,720
almost i feel like sometimes i have this

1179
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:02,800
need to want to stimulate my brain with

1180
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,520
something

1181
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,560
to do with this whether it's looking at

1182
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,000
old files or old documents or

1183
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,319
listening to someone's podcast or you

1184
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:14,480
know reading ross's book

1185
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,000
or whatever um but

1186
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,839
you know i have a feeling that a lot of

1187
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,440
people were like that in their first

1188
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,960
year or so of this

1189
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,119
so i'm just waiting for when i get burnt

1190
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,710
but yeah i don't know as long as things

1191
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:33,839
keep progressing

1192
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,200
in some way shape or form whatever it is

1193
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,839
like i think you have to tally that up

1194
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:40,800
as a positive

1195
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,520
and um it'll keep me going for sure

1196
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,839
so even if it's you know like that thing

1197
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,720
that came out

1198
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,720
today or yesterday just about their new

1199
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,240
directives it's something

1200
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,680
you know it's something to talk about

1201
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,520
and it's transparent that they're doing

1202
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,720
it you know

1203
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:01,119
so it's always something to talk about

1204
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:02,400
something to kind of celebrate there

1205
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:03,280
because you said because there's a

1206
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,640
transparency to it

1207
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,240
yeah and things are moving forward and i

1208
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:08,160
think people a lot of people understand

1209
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:09,440
that government in general doesn't

1210
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:13,200
work slowly um and this is really

1211
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,000
fascinating

1212
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:16,880
uh i mean it makes perfect sense so when

1213
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,599
i did the

1214
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,240
the reynolds from revelation story

1215
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,640
whatever and for those who are at home

1216
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,160
long story short i was put in contact

1217
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,319
with someone um who

1218
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,079
i i did my due diligence he does who he

1219
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:29,680
said he was who says he is

1220
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,240
and um his job as a uh

1221
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:36,559
military intelligence or communications

1222
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,280
officer

1223
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,960
he saw a lot of things go you know past

1224
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,319
you know through his

1225
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,480
uh through his communications and one

1226
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,440
thing she was talking

1227
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,200
you know the big thing was the rental

1228
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:46,640
room somebody was taken away whatever

1229
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:47,040
but

1230
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,559
what he was saying was i asked him about

1231
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:50,400
all the ufos the stories that are kind

1232
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,960
of

1233
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,880
mainstream everything we're seeing and

1234
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,160
he thinks it's happening

1235
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,119
slowly for a reason and he he's a he's a

1236
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,119
history buff he made a really good point

1237
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:02,160
that historically anything uh

1238
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,839
that any radical change not radical but

1239
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,839
any like big change is gradual

1240
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,440
and he pointed to like the civil rights

1241
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:10,559
movement right that didn't happen

1242
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:11,680
overnight

1243
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,040
um and he kind of drew a good parallel

1244
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,800
saying the ufo thing is a gradual thing

1245
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:18,000
like none of this stuff's going to come

1246
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,480
out

1247
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,000
right you know all at once it's all

1248
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,319
going to be slow and that's interesting

1249
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,359
because you know there's this idea that

1250
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,800
there's a slow disclosure that we've

1251
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,160
been seeing through years right through

1252
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,760
pop culture and

1253
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,520
movies and all this stuff so i mean it

1254
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,200
does make sense

1255
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,880
um grant cameron was on

1256
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,520
his show yeah not too long ago and yeah

1257
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:40,720
i

1258
00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:47,920
race uh

1259
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,820
you know um the right to choose

1260
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,920
[Music]

1261
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,720
sex whatever the more it's mentioned the

1262
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,200
more people think about it

1263
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,920
um it becomes on people's minds and they

1264
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,640
eventually

1265
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,960
make the right decision yeah and it's

1266
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:04,160
kind of what we're seeing right now i

1267
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,720
mean

1268
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,640
everything is happening in america it's

1269
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,760
like

1270
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,599
you know we're just we're we're so slow

1271
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:12,079
to change anything you know i mean it's

1272
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,520
you know yeah so the fact that you know

1273
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:15,119
these bills are kind of and people don't

1274
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,760
realize that

1275
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,760
it's weird in a way kovitz sort of

1276
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,599
accelerated the ufo stuff but

1277
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,440
it kind of set it back at the same time

1278
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,280
yeah you know

1279
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,720
that's funny yeah because i wouldn't be

1280
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:26,319
here without it most likely

1281
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,760
yeah i was referencing in the chat

1282
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,760
scott's mentioning uh bledsoe

1283
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,119
and something about bledsoe and

1284
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,880
cameron's theory uh oh right

1285
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,960
yeah i'm not sure about the camera

1286
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,280
reference but um

1287
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:42,160
in terms of what grant cameron i assume

1288
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,280
yeah i don't i don't know

1289
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,520
what theory they're referencing but uh

1290
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:46,640
the

1291
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,960
been really especially ryan bledsoe's

1292
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,160
twitter account

1293
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,400
uh it's really been like cookie crumbs

1294
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,839
for all of us you know whether people

1295
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,640
believe

1296
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,760
what they're posting or not it's been

1297
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,160
really fascinating yeah i think it's

1298
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,000
interesting oh yeah absolutely yeah

1299
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:04,720
see like that's one thing that kind of

1300
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,440
um

1301
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:07,359
just hurts me a little bit because he

1302
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:08,559
comes off as

1303
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,040
a i know everything already well

1304
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,200
i feel like so somebody said this i'm

1305
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,119
afraid who was they said

1306
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,800
maybe someone quoting someone else i

1307
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,319
don't want to say names

1308
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,960
but someone's mentioning how uh chris

1309
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,800
bledsoe's views

1310
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:27,520
on the phenomenon that's happening on

1311
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,559
his property

1312
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,680
is guided by his religious beliefs

1313
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:33,200
and i mean that could be the case here

1314
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,400
because think about it a lot of people

1315
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,760
who've had anomalous sightings

1316
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,119
throughout history

1317
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,839
have seen as deities or angels or

1318
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,800
whatever

1319
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,520
so chris bledsoe saying you know lights

1320
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,680
and orbs

1321
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,599
saying that's angels you know that's not

1322
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,680
that's not a stretch to say that

1323
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,200
that may be because of his religious

1324
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,359
beliefs right uh but i do think it's

1325
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:54,480
fascinating that

1326
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,520
you know uh jim semivan's been there you

1327
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,800
know the uh nazis

1328
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:01,200
and all these people have been there so

1329
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:01,920
people believe

1330
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,640
in you know what they've see what you've

1331
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,559
seen there or not the fact that

1332
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,040
nasa and the cia and they took an

1333
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,960
interest to it and i personally

1334
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,880
uh yeah i think the bledsoes have

1335
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,079
nothing to

1336
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:16,079
gain from this you know that if they

1337
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,200
were doing this for money

1338
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,880
or for fame or tv shows it would have

1339
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:20,319
happened to rain you know

1340
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,920
so yeah i don't know i'm okay with what

1341
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:25,839
anyone thinks obviously

1342
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,800
um because i don't have the right answer

1343
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,319
but that's just like the

1344
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,559
the feeling i get sometimes then with

1345
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,480
like the dust pictures and stuff

1346
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:37,920
it's like that isn't that just dust

1347
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:40,720
like that stuff you know but i don't

1348
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:41,359
have anything

1349
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,720
personal um against them so

1350
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:47,119
it was just something that irked me i'll

1351
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:48,400
be honest about it

1352
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,520
it's kind of the things where you want

1353
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,880
to be there to actually you know what i

1354
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:51,680
mean sure

1355
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,920
instead of seeing you know a photo and

1356
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:55,040
you kind of want to be there and see it

1357
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,920
for yourself same thing with like

1358
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:57,359
skinwalker ranch but at the same time

1359
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,640
it's like you don't want to be there

1360
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:02,559
it would be really cool if i could pay

1361
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,390
not to worry about bringing any

1362
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,559
tricksters home with you you just go

1363
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:13,119
you know isn't it better to even if you

1364
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,079
do want to find

1365
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,400
out like what's possible or if somebody

1366
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,839
could be telling the truth or if that

1367
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,800
could be real

1368
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:21,040
is just go meditate yourself and find

1369
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,160
out

1370
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,720
right well i forgot i was reading

1371
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,720
something i forgot who

1372
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,160
i didn't come prepared for this question

1373
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,000
but how

1374
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,280
um when they're on the property skin

1375
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,200
walker ranch

1376
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:37,440
uh the meditation is a lot stronger

1377
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:38,240
there

1378
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:56,710
um

1379
00:54:00,470 --> 00:54:00,079
yeah so i don't know i i think it's

1380
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,480
always

1381
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,400
go get it yourself and see what see what

1382
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,240
it is right instead of depending on

1383
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,640
other people if you if you can't

1384
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,920
well that's what people have been doing

1385
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,480
for years you know um

1386
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:13,119
i mean mufon in in a way that's kind of

1387
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,920
trying to do that

1388
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,480
and then there are people you know it's

1389
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:18,559
just funny because this the ufo field or

1390
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,280
whatever

1391
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,599
is one of the only communities where

1392
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,839
people could be a ufologist or a ufo

1393
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:25,760
journalist

1394
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,720
without a degree without any you know

1395
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:29,760
anyone could go out

1396
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:33,040
and be able to just yeah like for people

1397
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,319
who go out and you know

1398
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,079
and some of the people doing for the

1399
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:37,760
longest time have just done it kind of

1400
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,480
diy

1401
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:41,359
you know yeah and they have just you

1402
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,000
know

1403
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,520
their own research so it's fascinating

1404
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,559
that you know some of these people have

1405
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,319
been doing for a long time have really

1406
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,720
kind of gained respect just because of

1407
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,000
how long they've done it you

1408
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,599
know generally you would say where are

1409
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,119
your credentials you know

1410
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,720
yeah and you're going out on quite a

1411
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:59,200
limb there too dedicating so much of

1412
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,559
your life to

1413
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,799
something people basically crap on you

1414
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,599
for for

1415
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:06,559
paying attention to and it really

1416
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:07,599
doesn't pay

1417
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,640
yeah no yeah i mean that's

1418
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,720
sometimes i think that's why i slid in

1419
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:13,760
here so easily

1420
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,720
because music doesn't either so yeah

1421
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,319
better be your passion or you're not

1422
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:25,119
gonna make it kid

1423
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:28,960
yeah so uh yeah good talk

1424
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,920
i would say you know you can find a lot

1425
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,359
of truth within yourself

1426
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,280
if you take some time to quiet down and

1427
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,280
look in there

1428
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,200
and not force anything but just take it

1429
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,119
a piece at a time

1430
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:44,000
you'll find more truth than you could

1431
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:44,880
anywhere else

1432
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,640
that's what i think um that being said

1433
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,920
if we're

1434
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,079
hitting up the hour mark anything you

1435
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,559
want to get into

1436
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,640
uh i don't know let's see i think i've

1437
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,480
covered it um if you have any questions

1438
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,920
or if anyone else at home has any

1439
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:01,040
questions

1440
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,799
yeah do you mind giving a

1441
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,480
like a synopsis of your last book

1442
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,079
stranger than fiction

1443
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:10,720
oh yeah for sure um here we go give me a

1444
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,349
yeah because he is a fantastic author

1445
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,040
and

1446
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:21,359
oh you could hear that oh yeah i'm just

1447
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,400
kidding so

1448
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,000
strange and fiction came out i believe

1449
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,599
2020 2019

1450
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,960
um came out right at the start of the

1451
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:28,960
pandemic so whenever that was

1452
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,000
so 2020 very good cool

1453
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,160
um so strange fiction is my third book

1454
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:35,520
on the topic is the best one i've

1455
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,480
written

1456
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,440
um it basically encompasses all that i

1457
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,720
wanted to accomplish the whole time

1458
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,319
writing about this topic

1459
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,760
and since you're giving the opportunity

1460
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,920
to kind of pitch and self-promote myself

1461
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:47,680
i really think there's it's a ufo book

1462
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,079
that's kind of

1463
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,599
uh different than all that's out there

1464
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,200
in the market just because of

1465
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:56,160
what i cover and i really kind of the

1466
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,880
goal the book

1467
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:59,040
is to normalize a paranormal and i do

1468
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,079
that with

1469
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,480
current events you know like the the uap

1470
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,319
uh the nimitz incident

1471
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:07,440
um also through mythology popular

1472
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:07,920
culture

1473
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:11,280
fiction mythology i try to connect to

1474
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,760
all to

1475
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:14,319
explain phenomena and there really was a

1476
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,839
large range of people i interviewed for

1477
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,040
the book from

1478
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,480
diane pasulka tom delange uh

1479
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:22,640
sean cagle kevin day leslie keane ralph

1480
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,680
blumenthal

1481
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:25,359
uh people who were involved kind of

1482
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,720
behind the scenes with like

1483
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,119
dc comics and marvel comics the people

1484
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:30,880
who put out all these shows we watch

1485
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:33,200
on the history channel uh interview them

1486
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,240
as well

1487
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:37,680
um who else go get it

1488
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:40,720
go get it yeah it's basically you know

1489
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,359
it's

1490
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:43,520
i definitely try to pull from academia

1491
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,240
ufo research

1492
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,799
that's really nice oh wow somebody just

1493
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,680
give you money

1494
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:52,720
yeah very nice wow thank you megan for

1495
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,079
giving sean money and for

1496
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,240
reading his chat out of town they're

1497
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:57,920
they're uh giving me a

1498
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:01,359
uh go to the lou elizondo

1499
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:08,069
yeah this month a lot of people are

1500
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:09,520
really defensive about that and it's

1501
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:10,160
like

1502
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,599
it's a lot of money for a ver that's a

1503
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,960
lot of money for a conference in general

1504
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:13,280
yeah

1505
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,119
there you go

1506
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:19,119
that's not a knock on anyone who takes

1507
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,480
part of it right

1508
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,559
i mean that the guests don't have

1509
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,920
anything to do with that so it's not a

1510
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,640
knock on

1511
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,799
little zondo or anyone else who's booked

1512
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,240
on that i just think it's more of a

1513
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,240
promoter thing but i think it's

1514
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:33,119
crazy more intriguing that the the

1515
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:34,079
premise of this

1516
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,000
in uh you know lou elizondo

1517
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:41,200
and um i mean why am i spacing right now

1518
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,319
christopher mellon

1519
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:45,040
are a part of this yeah you know like

1520
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,480
because they've always been

1521
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:48,400
we don't know you don't know we can't

1522
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,520
say maybe

1523
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,040
i don't know it's in the spaces in

1524
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,119
between maybe i don't know

1525
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,960
she and there's aliens all over the

1526
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,640
place we got to figure this out

1527
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,319
and you see him on the same bill they're

1528
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:01,440
like that is interesting

1529
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:04,960
so i'm more intrigued about that

1530
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,240
for sure so yeah

1531
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,480
i think that's good yeah but that was

1532
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,160
interesting i said that you know

1533
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:14,000
a lot of people were kind of defending

1534
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,280
that and i was just like

1535
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:18,160
it's a lot of money for to get on a zoom

1536
00:59:19,340 --> 00:59:18,480
or

1537
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:19,350
uh you know

1538
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:23,040
[Laughter]

1539
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,799
hopefully we get sean to the ball so he

1540
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,079
can tell

1541
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:29,200
us i'll report back report back yeah

1542
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:33,040
i seen my first alien holy crap

1543
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:36,480
it was totally worth it you guys lost

1544
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:39,920
yeah uh well i appreciate your time dude

1545
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:42,319
it's really always um awesome that you

1546
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:43,359
make time for it

1547
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:46,240
and i'll never i can never thank you

1548
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,799
enough

1549
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,160
for doing that in the beginning and

1550
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:50,400
coming back now um

1551
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:53,440
whatever you need i'm here for you so um

1552
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,160
good luck

1553
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:57,119
with everything and report back with

1554
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:58,160
anything new

1555
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,599
cool thank you sean thanks again and uh

1556
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:01,119
congratulations on the success of your

1557
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,599
show

1558
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,359
i'm glad it's taking off and thank you

1559
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,440
everybody for the kind comments

1560
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:08,319
uh go to punk rock and ufos.com streams

1561
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,960
into fiction

1562
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:11,200
buy it on amazon write a nice review

1563
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,319
send sean to the ball

1564
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:15,359
and send my daughter to college

1565
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,160
yeah i'll pick his daughter first okay

1566
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:24,390
all right that was awesome uh what a

1567
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:25,040
cool dude

1568
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,240
love him and that book is great

1569
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,119
and the colors really pop out too i was

1570
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:32,880
just thinking

1571
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:36,640
um great design work too so

1572
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,839
uh lee why do you always say that leave

1573
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:41,599
the chat reply if you're not counter

1574
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:43,760
intel

1575
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,330
what do you see what does that even mean

1576
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:47,680
[Laughter]

1577
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:52,480
all right um i appreciate everything

1578
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,960
thank you guys so um i will

1579
01:01:03,190 --> 01:00:58,240
if i did something tomorrow would you

1580
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:06,549
maybe i will all right

1581
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:11,119
we'll see but for now

1582
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,480
you are left to wonder

1583
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:17,119
if i'm counter intel will i leave the

1584
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:17,839
chat up

1585
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:37,680
what's the

1586
01:01:50,839 --> 01:01:55,820
know